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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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welcome to the skeptic zone episode

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number 101 for the 24th of sep tember

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2010 Richard Saunders here with you once

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again back in Sydney on today's episode

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we have two interviews for you the first

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one is with Fraser Cain from astronomy

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cast I caught up with Fraser at

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dragoncon in Atlanta Georgia that's

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followed by another interview from Tam 8

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in Las Vegas this time with massimo

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pallucci about his book nonsense on

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stilts and after that we have the think

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tank with special guests Maynard and a

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good friend of ours Meg who by the time

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this show comes out is on her way to

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Germany that's enough from me it's nice

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to be back in Sydney with my cats

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playing in the background they're

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teasing each other at well let's just

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get on with this episode of the skeptic

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listeners to the skeptics are no

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probably also fans I hope your fans of

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astronomy cast and we're lucky enough

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here at the lovely evening dinner on the

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last day of dragoncon to have one of the

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hosts of astronomy cast Fraser Cain

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hello hello as the auditor I'm doing

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well it's Kylie Sturgis is here with us

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Brian Dunning Daniel looks and people

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are just pouring in as we speak well one

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of them anyway n dr. Rachel ER now

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astronomy classes of course a

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wonderfully popular podcast all about

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astronomy with you and Pamela gay I what

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motivated you to to start that off well

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I'd uh I'd been doing a podcast on

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university day for about a year and I I

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enjoy the sort of random interviews with

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me with various astronomy professionals

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and I got I realized that I wanted to

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kind of take things to the next level

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and have a bit more of a almost an

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encyclopedia of an educational for my

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where we would instead of it being

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interviews on a news orientation more

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like we would we would explain topics

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from top to bottom and really give

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something that would stand the test of

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time it wouldn't be you know what's

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happening this week in space but

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something that you know you could come

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back three years five years ten years

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later and the podcast would still be as

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valuable as as it was when we recorded

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it so I I pitched the idea to this Phil

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Plait guy oh my god is my big idea and

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and Phil said no no I'm just I'm book

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too haven't you know I've got all this

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blog and I'm writing and I'm just too

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busy so and but he said you know but

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Pamela has just come up she was working

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on slacker astronomy she's great really

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knows her stuff and so I am I gave her a

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call and within

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three days we recorded the first episode

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of astronomy castle who just you know is

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just it was click right away I explained

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it she got it we ran a couple of ideas

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and one of what a short for nuts would

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be and and and started recording you

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know within within days and and and I

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actually announced that we were going to

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be doing it here at DragonCon what four

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years ago and so now we've just wrapped

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up her fourth year starting our fifth

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year yeah fifth year fifth year yeah

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we're starting the fifth year now so we

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have done for years of astronomy casa

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we've done move 30 or 40 question shows

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as well so yeah we've got a lot yeah

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that's a very important part of your

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show of course other questions and I

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think you'll show thrives on questions

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doesn't it from this missing yeah the

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question shows are are you know just

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between you and me the question shows

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are my are my favorite part you and me

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and thousands died anyway yeah yeah if

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they won't tell anyone no no I love the

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question shows because you know with the

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got sort of a plan that we want to do

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these the most amazing questions that

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come in from the listeners and we have

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no you know and you never even thought

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of that you know like someone asked me

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collides with an antimatter black hole

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it had even occurred to us like I would

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have thought of that you know and then

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you're like well into Pamela's figuring

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out the what would happen and what would

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happen is nothing I mean it would be it

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would become a black hole with double

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the mass that it had before but it

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this newly forming thing it couldn't

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with just double the mess it doesn't

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it's all just black hole so but and and

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questions and the kind the kinds of

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questions that you know that four year

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olds will ask you know like why is there

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something and not nothing and what is

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time and and in

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and those are the best questions and

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will and will take will take them all on

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we'll take the questions that are that

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very good question but we'll try to take

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it on we'll try and upgrade the question

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you know we're going to get a sense of

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what they were going after and then try

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and really take a run at it no matter

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almost what the question is so I really

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look forward to you know we've kind of

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try and get back to that now I've been

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running little ad spots for astronomy

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cast ever since the skeptic zone started

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and so I hope a lot of our listeners

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have decided to give it a try and I'm

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sure they're even more inspired now so I

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encourage our listeners if you have a

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question about the one was my mysteries

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of space like Cheryl does down there

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laughing at something Brian done is

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doing must be something to do with

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number of questions we get it's pretty

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overwhelming but we you know we were

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promise promise is a question show a

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questions every week so so we do you

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we're explaining so much about space

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that are that the listeners are now

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understanding it so well that they've

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been then it's unlocking new questions

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now it's interesting to note that the

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show's done in two locations you're in

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canada and of course pamela gays in

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town called Courtney for anyone who

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illinois and so we do the whole show

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of doing the show no yeah yeah and

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chemistry right away really worked well

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the Dragon Con we did our first live

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show together you know Pamela is usually

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is the first time I thought I was able

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to able to you know get me off of the

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island in to do the show which is great

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vintage would know Gibson from the beach

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connoisseurs of course yeah yeah so we

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gibson where the Beachcomber sir so

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that's a real profession in that part of

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the world is beachcombing like they were

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on the TV ah not sure how much you

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losers want to hear about this um i

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want.i there's a ton of logging in

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british columbia up and down vancouver

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filled with with logs and the logs will

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a stamp on them and they're all owned by

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beaches and sell them either either you

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know they'll sell them back to the

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logging companies or sell them on the

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roulade I don't know any beach cover

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that show reishi the beachcombers no I'm

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home nice chicken but what if Thomas I

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was sorry but I never saw you do do do

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do did it and relegate young guy who's

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there and now what was that Nick adana

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des or something like that Molly's reach

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oh that's fantastic so listeners I

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sincerely encourage you if you haven't

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tried a astronomy cast with Fraser and

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Pamela it's such a wonderful show they

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do it so well and i do i love the

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questions but people send you in and

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they're not really trying to stump you

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but they're just trying to find out the

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answer to these these interesting things

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so thank you for your time tonight over

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your dinner and good luck in the future

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well thanks a lot Richard it's great to

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see you again and we'll talk to you

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astronomy cast who takes a fact space

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journey through the cosmos as it offers

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listeners weekly discussions on

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astronomical topics ranging from planets

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to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

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Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela

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gave southern illinois university

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questions of an avid astronomy lover

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Fraser and I explore what is known and

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being discovered about the universe

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around us join us each week as we take a

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Massimo pallucci is a professor of

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psychology in New York City his research

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is concerned with philosophy of science

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the relationship between science and

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philosophy and the relationship between

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science and religion his latest book is

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nonsense on stilts how to tell science

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from bunk and guest speaker at the

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amazing meeting eight he took time out

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to have a chat with me and now I'm

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delighted to be talking with her Massimo

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pallucci hello hi it's a very nice of

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you to give me some time here at the

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amazing meeting aid it's a pleasure and

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I noticed you was scheduled to talk this

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morning but I think they've juggled the

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yeah my friend Michael Shermer asked me

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to switch because he's giving another

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talk tomorrow at a libertarian meeting

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of all things oh really in town yes ok

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well it's nice of you to do that

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although I was very keen to to do he you

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speak i'll have to wait till tomorrow a

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few hours yes if you more now your

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publishers very kindly sent me a copy of

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your book nonsense on stilts which has a

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great cover of course with the the fit

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why do we have fish walking on stilts

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because that's so ridiculous it is good

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that's right so ridiculous that's

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actually an illustration from a book on

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nonsense that was published in the 19th

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century and and that's that we got these

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idea that it's really represented

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captures you know the absurdity of some

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pseudo scientific notions it's just like

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having a really really tall order of

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nonsense so as crazy as it looks a fish

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on land walking on stairs right with

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little boots on that's right and how

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long is this book been out now I just

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came out a few weeks ago and you know

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I'm very pleased with it it's been doing

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very well it's more important track I

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think it was a lot of fun to write them

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oh that's so good that's important now

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really who you aiming this book at is is

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it aimed at the general skeptical

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audience or is it aimed at people who

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are very interested in the skeptical and

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critical thinking the idea is to write

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for the general public for the what one

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might refer to as the average

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intelligent reader meaning somebody who

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has you know a college background that

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is enough

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to understand appreciate basic issues in

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science there's no requirement for

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actual background in science or in

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philosophy for that matter although the

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book does touch on a lot of

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philosophical issues philosophy of

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science issues but the idea is to reach

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as broad an audience as possible because

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as you know you know it's easy enough to

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talk to skeptics I mean we have a

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wonderful meeting here at twelve

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thirteen hundred people yeah but in some

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sense that isn't fat talking to the

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converts of course and the idea is to

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try to stretch a little bit what we can

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reach and in who we can get interested

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in a basic understanding of science and

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the difference between it and

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pseudoscience right right and I know

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it's only been out for short time then

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but have you had some good feedback from

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it already yes you know the I get of

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course feedback through all sorts of

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means these days you know Facebook and

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nah i love the social networking on my

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blog and and of course on the amazon

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rankings you know people start writing

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reviews and all that sort stuff so it's

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very actually it's very very interesting

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to get that kind of feedback as an

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author because you really get a sense of

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how you know how many different ways

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what you write can actually be

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understood or interpreted or what is it

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yeah what is it that made some people

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take for instance one of the positive

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reviews that came out early on for the

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book was in the independent i believe

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british paper and they focused entirely

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on the chapter on global warming and you

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know that's because that was their issue

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at that at that point i'm not surprised

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yes yes I noticed there was a chapter

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dealing with that um now we on the

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skeptic zone podcasts weird sort of

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steer clear of that issue a little bit

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wisely sorry because I it's it's unlike

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any other topic I've seen in my years of

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being in the skeptical movement it'sit's

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such passion yes from both sides both

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sides and if I did this is what we'll be

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talking about tomorrow in my

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presentation here the question that

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fascinating fascinates me is what

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exactly is the role of skeptics in terms

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of mediating between science and the

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general public the way I always

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understood the skeptical moment

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was on two levels on the one hand we're

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very good at doing debunking of things

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that are obviously well known to be buck

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you know so astrology parapsychology you

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followed you all these other things we

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know how to do it we are probably the

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best people to do it better than

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scientists because scientists don't have

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the time that I've the background and

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enter training don't have the training

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exactly that's why James Randi so good

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yeah what it does for Penn & Teller you

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know that because they know where the

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tricks are in how to uncover them so

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that's 11 11 the second thing that I

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thought always thought the skeptic

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moment was about was to promote critical

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thinking and understanding of science in

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other words as skeptics as mediators

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between the professional scientists who

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often either don't have the time or the

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inclination or the incentive to write

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for general public and the public but

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when it comes to thing issues like

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global warming that's an interesting

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there's an interesting situation because

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that's an area where skeptics do not

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have expertise you know most kept

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exogenous climate climate change you

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know change a scientist yeah they

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literally do not know what goes into the

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climate change models they don't

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understand the data they understand the

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science behind it nor we should really

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expect them to because it's not there

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there I really well it's it's like

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asking the general public to have our

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expertise when it comes to spotting the

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critical thinking recently they don't

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and why should they exactly so but then

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what makes it puzzling then is that you

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would expect therefore that skeptics

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would take about climate change the same

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exact latitude that they take about say

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evolution or the connection between HIV

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and AIDS or the connection between

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vaccines and audit and all those kind of

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things in other words they will look at

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the scientific literature what the

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scientific consensus is and they will

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say and then we're trying to explain to

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the public look here is the best

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understanding that we have course

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science is always fallible of course our

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understanding can always change but at

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the moment this is the best

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understanding well we do that with

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evolution we do that with with HIV we do

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that with vaccines but we don't do it or

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some of us the good climate change

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that's right and it's very interesting

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to ask why and I think you know what I

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suggest in the book is that the reason

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for that is because there is a

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the number of skeptics who are committed

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libertarians who are you essentially

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committed to a particular political

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world view now we all are I mean I have

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my own political views obviously if you

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did not have your political views that

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would make you a very strange and

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unconnected individual in society right

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but but the libertarian worldview is

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such that it easily gravitates toward a

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rejection of certain aspect of science

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because they seem to understand that a

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particularly acceptance for instance of

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the notion of climate change then

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automatically leads to certain kinds of

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measures that are heavily you know

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involved with government intervention

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and that sort of thing and since they do

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not like the idea of government

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invention then they reject the science I

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think that's not a rational approach

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there is a distinction between the

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science itself and what you do about it

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if you agree that there is a problem so

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the policy in other words now as far as

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the science I think there is very little

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discussion that skeptics can it can

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participate to simply because they don't

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have the technical know-how they just

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don't know literally they don't know

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what you're talking about yeah yeah now

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the scientist again you know you can

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always find of course scientists who

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disagree on whatever consensus general

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consensus there is within the community

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you can find biologists we don't believe

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in evolution and so I'm sure you can

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find climate scientists who don't think

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that climate change is happening but my

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understanding of the literature is that

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in fact you would want a majority of the

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people who know what they're talking

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about agrees that the best conclusion at

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the moment is that it is in fact

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happening in and it is at least in part

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human cost given that that's what we

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skeptics should accept because we do not

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have the expertise to challenge that

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particular conclusion when it comes to

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policies to okay well what we're going

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to do about at this point that's a

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different matter because then it's a

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question of not only expertise I mean

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there to you do need expertise because

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what to do about it it's also impart the

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technical question but how you're going

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to go about deploying certain measures

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or others that becomes a matter of

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policy make it and it does become a

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matter of politics so there I can't

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understand how there can be a reasonable

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discussion about well how much

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government of engine you want to do and

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under what constrains and so on and so

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forth but the two aspects are separate

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and it's interesting to me too

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see a group of you know critical

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thinkers people who otherwise like you

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know my colleague span and Teller or

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James R and himself or Michael Shermer

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until a few years ago he changed his

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mine recently to his credit he looked at

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the data i looked at the publications in

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the technical literature in said yeah

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guys that it doesn't make any sense to

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deny that there's no change so you came

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around but it's interesting to see these

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people who are obviously intelligent

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people who are obviously critically in

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your trained in critical thinking and

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yet they make what I think are fairly

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major blunders because of a particular

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ideological position that it's so

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important to them in terms of politics

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Paula because as our saying it's it's

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it's a topic which brings the passion so

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I've rarely seen and it's very

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interesting when someone will come to to

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me as a skeptic the media in Australia

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for example and they will expect me to

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be a global warming skeptic grow desire

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or whatever the case may be and when I

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put it to some journalists basically

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what you said to me no I'm not an expert

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and I must go with a consensus of

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scientific opinion they were really

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disappointed right that's in part if I

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think I think is a result of the use of

544
00:21:41,610 --> 00:21:39,429
the word skeptic I mean I love the word

545
00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:41,620
scale yeah I guess I'm proud to be a

546
00:21:45,330 --> 00:21:44,200
skeptic and and to me there isn't you

547
00:21:47,370 --> 00:21:45,340
know interesting connection of course

548
00:21:50,610 --> 00:21:47,380
with the history of skepticism both in

549
00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:50,620
the sense that we of the word that we

550
00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:52,030
mean today and of course in the in the

551
00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:53,320
classical sense of you know the

552
00:21:56,909 --> 00:21:55,270
skeptical philosophers it's all very

553
00:21:58,860 --> 00:21:56,919
interesting and it's a great word and we

554
00:22:00,510 --> 00:21:58,870
should retain it unfortunately wherever

555
00:22:02,669 --> 00:22:00,520
it does have a couple of connotations

556
00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:02,679
that are difficult to get the general

557
00:22:05,850 --> 00:22:04,270
public away from one of them is that

558
00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:05,860
you're a skeptic you must be all so

559
00:22:09,630 --> 00:22:07,419
cynical somehow cynically you know

560
00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:09,640
you're not you're not fun usually always

561
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:11,380
that they say you're kind of thing and

562
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:14,110
boy if you were at the drinking

563
00:22:17,310 --> 00:22:15,970
skeptically last night for its that you

564
00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:17,320
will definitely understand it that is

565
00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:19,750
not the case that that's one thing but

566
00:22:23,970 --> 00:22:21,460
the other thing as you pointed out is

567
00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:23,980
that then people expect you to basically

568
00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:26,350
take a no position negative position on

569
00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:27,940
pretty much anything yeah that's of

570
00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:29,710
course not what skepticism eats this

571
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:33,100
skepticism is about a reasoned analysis

572
00:22:36,820 --> 00:22:35,250
of a situation and in about

573
00:22:38,860 --> 00:22:36,830
proportioning your belief

574
00:22:40,450 --> 00:22:38,870
to the evidence so if the evidence is

575
00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:40,460
overwhelming of course you're going to

576
00:22:43,299 --> 00:22:41,809
accept a certain notion at least

577
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:43,309
provisionally I mean I'm perfectly

578
00:22:46,389 --> 00:22:45,289
convinced that it is the earth that goes

579
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,399
around the Sun and not the other way

580
00:22:50,649 --> 00:22:48,080
around I thinking I'm not a skeptic in

581
00:22:53,259 --> 00:22:50,659
that sense i think that the evidence is

582
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:53,269
overwhelming yes yes that's right and we

583
00:22:57,730 --> 00:22:55,490
are speaking of the things in space

584
00:23:00,519 --> 00:22:57,740
another not so much anymore

585
00:23:03,580 --> 00:23:00,529
interestingly enough but over the last

586
00:23:05,860 --> 00:23:03,590
few years people would expect us to be a

587
00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:05,870
moon landing skip oh yes of course right

588
00:23:11,950 --> 00:23:09,529
right and 911 skeptics yes the 911 to

589
00:23:15,070 --> 00:23:11,960
through the movements yeah yeah and

590
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:15,080
again it's the idea is not that you're

591
00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:17,090
supposed to deny anything because you're

592
00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:18,710
a skeptic unfed Michael Sherman today

593
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,080
made that point very well in in stock he

594
00:23:25,899 --> 00:23:23,360
said that for all effective purposes you

595
00:23:27,850 --> 00:23:25,909
can make one of two opposite mistakes

596
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:27,860
right you can you can be too skeptical

597
00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:29,690
and therefore miss out on things that

598
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,190
actually true and you're rejecting the

599
00:23:35,889 --> 00:23:32,960
truth this is what in statistical

600
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:35,899
analysis called a type 2 error and or

601
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:37,250
you can do the other way around and

602
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:39,710
accept pretty much everything including

603
00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:42,049
things that notions are clearly not not

604
00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:43,519
the case that clearly not true in which

605
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:44,840
case you would be making what's the

606
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:48,320
decisions call a type one error and his

607
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:49,850
point was that well it is actually very

608
00:23:53,769 --> 00:23:52,130
difficult to balance between these two

609
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,779
there is always a risk no matter what

610
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:55,279
position you take there is always a risk

611
00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:56,570
that you're rejecting something that is

612
00:24:01,149 --> 00:23:58,490
true or the EurAsEC accepting something

613
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:01,159
is bunk to me being a critical thinker

614
00:24:07,149 --> 00:24:05,120
means that you try to minimize both both

615
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:07,159
types of errors and it's interesting you

616
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,289
know I my previous career before

617
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:10,880
becoming a philosopher I was I was a

618
00:24:15,070 --> 00:24:12,289
biologist and I was trained action in

619
00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:15,080
statistical analysis and you're told

620
00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:19,100
your thought in statistics 101 that if

621
00:24:23,049 --> 00:24:21,740
you want to minimize both that the

622
00:24:25,539 --> 00:24:23,059
typical there is an inverse relationship

623
00:24:27,940 --> 00:24:25,549
between type 1 and type 2 error if you

624
00:24:29,769 --> 00:24:27,950
are more conservative because you don't

625
00:24:32,139 --> 00:24:29,779
want to believe in things that are not

626
00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:32,149
true you're bound also to these believe

627
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:34,190
things that are in fact true and vice

628
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:35,690
versa if you're not conservative enough

629
00:24:38,769 --> 00:24:37,250
because you don't want to miss out on

630
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:38,779
things that are true you're bound to

631
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:41,450
accept some bunk or some nonsense and so

632
00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:43,250
when I asked my you know teachers as

633
00:24:47,529 --> 00:24:44,990
well so how do you minimize both type 1

634
00:24:49,899 --> 00:24:47,539
and type 2 errors the answer was you get

635
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:49,909
more data you get more information it's

636
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:50,730
all about

637
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:52,530
getting more reliable that are getting

638
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:55,530
more information and that way eventually

639
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:57,059
your you're going to be able to clearly

640
00:25:02,210 --> 00:24:58,919
make a distinction between two notions

641
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:02,220
in the book I try to get that across by

642
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:03,480
explaining that the difference between

643
00:25:08,419 --> 00:25:05,730
science and pseudoscience is not a sharp

644
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:08,429
bandar there is there's not a very clear

645
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:10,140
demarcation line in philosophy of

646
00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:11,400
science this used to be called the

647
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:13,380
demarcation problem how do you tell

648
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,910
science from to pseudoscience and some

649
00:25:17,780 --> 00:25:16,320
early philosophers early 20th century

650
00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:17,790
philosophers of science particularly

651
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:19,950
called popper thought that there was a

652
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:22,530
very clear answer that if a notion is

653
00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:24,690
potentially falsifiable it is scientific

654
00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:26,190
if it is not even potentially

655
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,720
falsifiable if there's no way in theory

656
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:30,059
in principle to tell that it's that it's

657
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:32,220
wrong than in pseudoscience well that

658
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:34,410
was a good beginning but as it turns out

659
00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:35,880
things are much more complicated than

660
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:38,160
that anyone in the book I try to do is I

661
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:41,970
try to map these complex space that goes

662
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:44,580
from clearly solid science you know

663
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:46,770
fundamental physics evolutionary biology

664
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:48,330
and chemistry all this all these things

665
00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:50,820
to at the opposite extreme clearly

666
00:25:54,919 --> 00:25:53,190
pseudo scientific notions astrology you

667
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,929
know like with ian you know clairvoyance

668
00:25:59,060 --> 00:25:56,700
and all that source and then there's a

669
00:26:00,650 --> 00:25:59,070
lot of stuff in between which tomates

670
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:00,660
them was interesting one those are

671
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:02,490
things like so-called soft sciences for

672
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:03,690
instance you know psychology sociology

673
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:06,360
but that's those are clearly sciences

674
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:11,370
yes but they do get to producing output

675
00:26:15,650 --> 00:26:13,559
in terms of research that is much more

676
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,660
debatable it's you know the experiments

677
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:17,760
are replicated but but it's not clear

678
00:26:20,270 --> 00:26:19,080
what the replication actually means and

679
00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:20,280
so on so there's much more discussion

680
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,880
and then there are notions such as for

681
00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:25,080
instance in a search for us at the

682
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:26,790
restaurant intelligence is that science

683
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,740
or is that not science well it's done by

684
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:30,240
scientists it's but it's done by

685
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:32,130
astronomers tip it typically it is

686
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:33,960
certainly based on sound scientific

687
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:35,490
principles I mean we're using radio

688
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:37,980
telescopes to do that and and it's based

689
00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:39,690
on a reasonable assumption that given

690
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:41,480
you we know that there is one civilized

691
00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:43,890
technological so-called civilized

692
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:46,860
somewhat civilized technological society

693
00:26:50,780 --> 00:26:48,450
out there then they might be more than

694
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:50,790
mine right on the other hand it's also

695
00:26:56,030 --> 00:26:53,070
true that the notion that there are

696
00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:56,040
other civilizations are there may not be

697
00:26:59,870 --> 00:26:57,809
falsifiable because it doesn't matter

698
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,880
how much time you spent listening and

699
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,860
not getting any response you can never

700
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:02,720
conclude

701
00:27:06,850 --> 00:27:04,730
that your hypothesis was wrong so

702
00:27:09,850 --> 00:27:06,860
technically sadie is based on a non

703
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:09,860
falsifiable exception right and yet it

704
00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:12,049
is it is worth doing it is because it's

705
00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:14,120
because unless you know as long as

706
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:15,380
you're not paying too much money and

707
00:27:19,630 --> 00:27:17,450
spending too much energy on that kind of

708
00:27:22,299 --> 00:27:19,640
effort the payoff the potential payout

709
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:22,309
potential is huge yes absolutely and

710
00:27:27,549 --> 00:27:24,110
it's interesting you should be talking

711
00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:27,559
about the way with space again and the

712
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:29,240
way science is communicated you speak

713
00:27:34,210 --> 00:27:32,510
about Stephen Jay Gould and Carl Sagan

714
00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:34,220
right one of the chapters of your book

715
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,980
who both of them especially in in my

716
00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:38,960
case Carl Sagan was the great science

717
00:27:44,529 --> 00:27:41,480
communicator and you talk about the

718
00:27:46,419 --> 00:27:44,539
media what what in your opinion what

719
00:27:49,930 --> 00:27:46,429
could the media do better I mean it's

720
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:49,940
not easy to to represent our way of

721
00:27:54,130 --> 00:27:52,250
thinking to the general public no it is

722
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:54,140
really isn't no it isn't and and I know

723
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:57,049
you know have friends or journalists who

724
00:28:00,909 --> 00:27:59,210
are very sensitive to this matter

725
00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:00,919
because you know journalists by and

726
00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:04,520
large really want to do a good job at

727
00:28:08,490 --> 00:28:06,140
educating the public they want to do a

728
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:08,500
good job of communicating complex issues

729
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:12,200
but of course they run against a number

730
00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:14,090
of serious problems first of all they

731
00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:16,340
typically are not trained in the

732
00:28:19,419 --> 00:28:17,720
specific discipline I mean their general

733
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:19,429
sort of general thinkers right you're

734
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:20,510
not they're not scientists they're not

735
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:21,770
they don't have training there are some

736
00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:23,450
science journalists to do have specific

737
00:28:28,510 --> 00:28:26,120
training in science but by and large a

738
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:28,520
journalist is somebody who just happens

739
00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:30,260
to be good at asking questions in

740
00:28:33,850 --> 00:28:32,630
writing about certain things and in our

741
00:28:35,529 --> 00:28:33,860
typical journal nation i have a friend

742
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:35,539
of mine for instance who started her

743
00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:38,090
career as a political journalist and

744
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:40,700
then now writes about education well

745
00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:42,650
it's not that she has any particular

746
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,990
degree or background in either politics

747
00:28:48,899 --> 00:28:47,120
or education she just is a intelligent

748
00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:48,909
person who is capable of listening in

749
00:28:52,659 --> 00:28:50,750
researching certain questions and

750
00:28:54,899 --> 00:28:52,669
running about it that's the kind of

751
00:28:58,779 --> 00:28:54,909
person we need to communicate to as

752
00:29:01,270 --> 00:28:58,789
scientists or as skeptics the others the

753
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,280
other side of the problem with

754
00:29:06,220 --> 00:29:03,679
journalists of course is that they have

755
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:06,230
to do deal with their own internal

756
00:29:10,299 --> 00:29:08,210
pressures in their own business very

757
00:29:12,850 --> 00:29:10,309
good play it's I mean they have most

758
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:12,860
most media outlets that are corporate

759
00:29:17,139 --> 00:29:15,110
owned owned they have sell their product

760
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:17,149
to sell their products especially these

761
00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:19,250
days were with the demise of magazines

762
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,950
and newspapers yes there is the rise of

763
00:29:25,899 --> 00:29:23,840
the internet for sure but on the other

764
00:29:28,090 --> 00:29:25,909
hand the internet is still too large to

765
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,100
a large extent a wild place I mean you

766
00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:30,320
know you can go to my blog and with what

767
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:31,640
I think it's really interesting stuff

768
00:29:35,409 --> 00:29:33,289
but on the other hand if you pick a blog

769
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,419
at random if you pick a random web page

770
00:29:38,980 --> 00:29:37,520
out of a google search but there is

771
00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:38,990
absolutely no guarantee that you're

772
00:29:42,669 --> 00:29:40,520
getting anything that is reliable people

773
00:29:45,610 --> 00:29:42,679
can make stuff up and put it out there

774
00:29:47,049 --> 00:29:45,620
so how do you tell you know what is

775
00:29:50,260 --> 00:29:47,059
reliable what is from what is not well

776
00:29:52,659 --> 00:29:50,270
it turns out that the best way to do

777
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,669
that is to go to new sources on the

778
00:29:56,919 --> 00:29:55,039
internet which are actually sponsored by

779
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:56,929
standard classical well-established

780
00:30:01,260 --> 00:29:59,450
outlets like you know if I get my news I

781
00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:01,270
get them from the New York Times the BBC

782
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:03,470
national public radio in the united

783
00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:05,690
states the kind of sources that I know

784
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:07,780
they're not infallible because nobody is

785
00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:10,220
but they have a certain degree of

786
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:12,020
reliability they you know they have a

787
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:13,490
certain kind of audience insert the kind

788
00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:15,289
of standards I don't just read randomly

789
00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:16,760
because there's too much stuff out there

790
00:30:20,919 --> 00:30:19,640
so as skeptics when we talk to the two

791
00:30:22,659 --> 00:30:20,929
journalists we have to keep in mind

792
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:22,669
first of all that these are people were

793
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:24,710
not specifically trained in science or

794
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:26,809
critical thinking and second that they

795
00:30:32,169 --> 00:30:30,320
have a set of pressures there it's not

796
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:32,179
the only have one agenda their agenda is

797
00:30:38,919 --> 00:30:35,210
not just to educate the public is also

798
00:30:40,990 --> 00:30:38,929
to sell their product now that may be

799
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:41,000
something we don't like as a general

800
00:30:44,649 --> 00:30:42,440
idea i mean i would like for information

801
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:44,659
to be free available to everybody

802
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:46,850
researched and well-researched right but

803
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:48,710
unfortunately with you know the fact

804
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:50,210
that the matter is that if you want to

805
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:52,760
do well informed research well you have

806
00:30:56,139 --> 00:30:54,530
to spend time and and somebody has to

807
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,149
pay for it that's right that's right and

808
00:31:01,270 --> 00:30:58,640
so you we need to come to terms to do

809
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,280
with the idea that yes we need to sell

810
00:31:05,529 --> 00:31:03,679
our message to journalist to the media

811
00:31:06,970 --> 00:31:05,539
we need to find out way and i don't i

812
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:06,980
don't mean it doesn't mean necessarily

813
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:10,130
that you have to become incredibly

814
00:31:14,169 --> 00:31:12,110
simplistic or go for the sensation and

815
00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:14,179
situational thing only and that sort of

816
00:31:17,049 --> 00:31:15,860
thing but you know you need to be

817
00:31:19,450 --> 00:31:17,059
creative you need to talk to these

818
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:19,460
people having the journalists having in

819
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:21,470
mind what it is from their perspective

820
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:23,570
that is going to make it in print or

821
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:24,630
it's going to make it to their

822
00:31:30,260 --> 00:31:26,940
it's also a lot easier for the

823
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,270
journalists to present the story it was

824
00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:32,580
a UFO that people think they saw flying

825
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:36,900
through the sky or these people from the

826
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:38,610
city saw a ghost or whatever it was

827
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:40,710
which happens a lot in Australia the

828
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:44,130
tabloid TV show and press then go into

829
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:48,000
an explanation of the possible what else

830
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:50,070
it could be and a lot of the times their

831
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,110
readership or the people viewing just

832
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:55,440
wanted to be reassured that yes psychics

833
00:31:59,390 --> 00:31:57,810
can tell you a future or the UFO is

834
00:32:02,660 --> 00:31:59,400
coming or something like that there's an

835
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:02,670
enormous emotional potential data that

836
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:04,890
unfortunately skeptics have a hard time

837
00:32:09,890 --> 00:32:08,130
tapping in because you know frankly most

838
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:09,900
of what we do is about bursting bubbles

839
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,940
it's not an people don't like to have

840
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:13,980
the other words nobody I'm skeptics not

841
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:15,720
even skeptics that's exactly right now

842
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,030
you mentioned Cal taken and the reason I

843
00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:20,820
talk about Sagan out in my book other

844
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:22,590
than because he was a huge influence on

845
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:26,250
me when I when I was a younger it's

846
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,010
because he got it exactly right in terms

847
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:32,340
of realizing that being a skeptic being

848
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:34,020
a scientist being you know a critical

849
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:36,660
thinker it's never going to be a popular

850
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:38,730
position it's always going to be new is

851
00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:40,980
the subtitle of these famous book the

852
00:32:45,170 --> 00:32:42,870
demon haunted world is science as a

853
00:32:47,030 --> 00:32:45,180
candle in the dark and I like that image

854
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:47,040
science and i would say in fact more

855
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:49,710
broadly reason right critical thinking

856
00:32:54,170 --> 00:32:51,810
is a candle in the dark and what

857
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:54,180
skeptics are about is to keep that

858
00:32:57,770 --> 00:32:56,070
candle lit as much as possible and to

859
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,780
spread it as much as possible but you

860
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,880
have we have to come to terms that we're

861
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,960
always going to be surrounded by the

862
00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:02,880
dark because the dark is easier yeah

863
00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:05,280
that's it the doc is easier yeah it's

864
00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:10,220
easier to be to simply believe the

865
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:12,540
psychic reading when it happens to you

866
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:14,970
than to study the psychology of what we

867
00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:16,500
know is cold reading and all the other

868
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:18,750
aspects but we heard this morning for

869
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:20,310
instance and a great example you know it

870
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,170
what the problem is that being a skeptic

871
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:24,000
can be depressing because you do a lot

872
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:26,340
of work you try to convince people

873
00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:28,710
you're reason you provide data and then

874
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:30,270
a lot of people look at you and say no I

875
00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:31,500
don't know i don't know it's really

876
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:33,540
believe in ghosts so that can be

877
00:33:37,299 --> 00:33:35,640
depressing but there are good results

878
00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:37,309
that we do achieve one of the

879
00:33:42,659 --> 00:33:39,950
that I that I stress in the book is that

880
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:42,669
bad science through science you know

881
00:33:48,669 --> 00:33:46,490
bunk literally can kill people if you if

882
00:33:50,619 --> 00:33:48,679
you don't believe that there is a

883
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:50,629
connection between HIV and AIDS and

884
00:33:57,399 --> 00:33:53,320
therefore refuse to take you know anti

885
00:33:58,539 --> 00:33:57,409
retroviral drugs you can die you know if

886
00:34:00,580 --> 00:33:58,549
you're not going to vaccinate your

887
00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:00,590
children it's a big issue in Australia

888
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:02,360
exactly because because you think that

889
00:34:05,019 --> 00:34:03,710
there is a connection with autism even

890
00:34:06,999 --> 00:34:05,029
though plenty of scientific research has

891
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:07,009
shown there is no connection then you're

892
00:34:09,879 --> 00:34:08,569
only you're endangering your children

893
00:34:12,430 --> 00:34:09,889
but in fact you're endangering society

894
00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:12,440
at large because vaccines work only if a

895
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:14,030
large number of people actually are bugs

896
00:34:17,319 --> 00:34:15,409
in it yeah and Storen sports so these

897
00:34:19,210 --> 00:34:17,329
things are important it's not just a

898
00:34:20,829 --> 00:34:19,220
matter of bursting people's bubbles is a

899
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:20,839
matter of literally protecting the

900
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:24,079
public I think of skepticism as a is a

901
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:26,690
sort of a consumers advocate that's a

902
00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:28,490
version that's a very good Linus line we

903
00:34:34,290 --> 00:34:31,579
try to take in Australia and you're

904
00:34:36,669 --> 00:34:34,300
absolutely right because we always think

905
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:36,679
we all see there are two sides to what

906
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:40,159
we do for our own sanity we have we try

907
00:34:44,649 --> 00:34:42,710
to have fun right and to me you know UFO

908
00:34:46,450 --> 00:34:44,659
hunting and ghosts all right it's it's

909
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:46,460
old hat to us but to a lot of the

910
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,810
younger generation they get very

911
00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:49,760
interested in and I enjoy all that stuff

912
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,429
some of it so that's where we get a our

913
00:34:56,169 --> 00:34:54,560
interest in and fun and then yes we have

914
00:34:58,450 --> 00:34:56,179
very serious about fighting the

915
00:35:00,609 --> 00:34:58,460
anti-vaccination lobby and all these

916
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:00,619
people in occasion we succeed it as I

917
00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:03,170
was saying earlier we heard this morning

918
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:05,240
at the meeting and a good example of it

919
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:06,920
where the James Randi foundation was

920
00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:09,170
instrumental in going to talk to the

921
00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:11,030
Department of Defense i believe it was

922
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:13,160
in the united states and showing them

923
00:35:16,450 --> 00:35:14,630
that this thing that they were paying

924
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:16,460
tens of thousands of dollars for with

925
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:17,890
this instrument that was supposed to

926
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:20,930
cover the bomb the salton thing in iraq

927
00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:22,910
was actually a complete bank was based

928
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:24,950
on no signs at all it was just but you

929
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:27,470
know in tally non-functional thing got

930
00:35:32,770 --> 00:35:31,010
put together to as a scam and it turns

931
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:32,780
out that they were successful you know

932
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:34,310
the prime minister of defense did did

933
00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:36,920
listen and they stopped not only they

934
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:38,349
stopped sales but in fact the the

935
00:35:42,130 --> 00:35:40,250
president of the company was selling

936
00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:42,140
these things is now in jail now that's a

937
00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:44,150
victory it's a small victory but it is

938
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:46,430
the kind of things that make make it

939
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:49,369
worth it it makes will save life it's

940
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:50,720
safe sighs really

941
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:52,010
exactly it saves lives it makes a

942
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:53,330
difference in people in people's lives

943
00:35:57,099 --> 00:35:55,700
and and it makes you think like okay

944
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,109
well I've been spending a lot of time

945
00:36:00,640 --> 00:35:59,359
writing and talking and putting today

946
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,650
are these things and it's actually

947
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:02,240
making a difference you you do get that

948
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:04,490
feedback from time to time and I'm very

949
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:07,310
pleased to say that we in Australia

950
00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:09,890
every now and then the hard work we put

951
00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:12,460
in will get the feedback or the results

952
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:15,740
and that's just recharges the batteries

953
00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:17,330
and makes you think yeah but all those

954
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:19,550
hours you spend exactly and you also

955
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:21,050
have to remember that you know probably

956
00:36:25,089 --> 00:36:23,810
for any any particular example feed but

957
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:25,099
you get there's probably another 10 or

958
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,320
100 out there where you did make a

959
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,359
difference and you know by the right all

960
00:36:32,349 --> 00:36:31,280
right I mean in some sense it is just

961
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:32,359
like being a teacher you know I've been

962
00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:34,310
I've been an academic for all my life

963
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:36,740
and it is a very rewarding experience in

964
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:38,540
the moment you're teaching people but it

965
00:36:41,710 --> 00:36:40,310
is even more rewarding when you know ten

966
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:41,720
years later you get an email from one of

967
00:36:44,859 --> 00:36:43,310
your former students yeah you know what

968
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:44,869
yeah i like to one of your classes and

969
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:46,190
really made a difference in time but

970
00:36:49,330 --> 00:36:48,020
then I start thinking okay well I get

971
00:36:51,490 --> 00:36:49,340
those only once in a while and then I

972
00:36:53,890 --> 00:36:51,500
realized yes but on the other hand it's

973
00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:53,900
probably many many more who don't bother

974
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:56,060
to ride don't you know but they can't

975
00:37:00,220 --> 00:36:57,440
find my email address or whatever it is

976
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:00,230
and yet I having fat help I having fat

977
00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:02,510
touch them you know I myself have plenty

978
00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:03,830
of t-shirt I've had plenty of teachers

979
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:05,180
who I didn't bother you know running

980
00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:07,490
back packets later and say hey thank you

981
00:37:12,670 --> 00:37:09,800
that's a really good point I mean I did

982
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:12,680
over the years I've often related the

983
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:14,330
story of a science teacher I had who was

984
00:37:18,329 --> 00:37:16,280
particularly good at communicating and I

985
00:37:20,589 --> 00:37:18,339
never bothered to write back and say

986
00:37:22,359 --> 00:37:20,599
thank you very much there you are

987
00:37:24,460 --> 00:37:22,369
listeners as there's your task for the

988
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,470
day let your teachers know who inspired

989
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:26,000
you that they did a good job they will

990
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:28,010
appreciate absolutely and it's a very

991
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:30,530
good tip now the book is called nonsense

992
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:33,530
on stilts how to tell science from bunk

993
00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:35,630
it's produced by the University of

994
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:42,380
Chicago Press ww-p RSU chicago edu and i

995
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:44,330
think people can buy that hopefully in

996
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:46,190
the book shops yes it's available in

997
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:47,540
bookshops and of course through amazon

998
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:48,410
and through

999
00:37:51,790 --> 00:37:50,690
less no it was an absolute like to talk

1000
00:37:53,890 --> 00:37:51,800
to you thank you for sparing you

1001
00:38:06,250 --> 00:37:53,900
sometime today it was my pleasure thank

1002
00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:06,260
you very much this is brian dunning from

1003
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:09,950
skep tide calm warning avoid skeptics in

1004
00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:12,380
the pub in sydney on october 7th at all

1005
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:15,350
costs Maynard is going to be there the

1006
00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:18,020
avalanche of irrationality and ill logic

1007
00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:19,940
that he'll no doubt unleash will be

1008
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,940
hazardous to anyone who attends October

1009
00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:25,280
seventh please be as far away from

1010
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:27,140
skeptics in the pub in Sydney as

1011
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:29,990
possible thank you i'm brian dunning

1012
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:35,990
from sceptile calm join us now for

1013
00:38:48,730 --> 00:38:47,410
and welcome to the think tank it's good

1014
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,740
to be back here in our favorite club

1015
00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:50,480
down the street dr. rate she is holding

1016
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:56,630
up her computer to me and maybe dr. AG

1017
00:39:04,060 --> 00:38:58,190
before we get started could you explain

1018
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:04,070
what that's all about I'll tell you you

1019
00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:05,690
have to come to skeptics in the pub on

1020
00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:08,750
octob the 7th in Sydney our special

1021
00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:10,790
guests will be Maynard and he's doing

1022
00:39:17,110 --> 00:39:14,660
lux there's a heckler here I mean he's

1023
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:17,120
gonna be sharing his world of woo and

1024
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:20,510
woo with us can't wait for that well

1025
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:26,980
let's may not be music we're going whoo

1026
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:29,930
whoo whoo whoo and welcome to Maynard

1027
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:31,670
hello Maynard hello hello it's great to

1028
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:33,050
be here and you've been around the world

1029
00:39:38,590 --> 00:39:36,170
and back again and our special guest Meg

1030
00:39:40,030 --> 00:39:38,600
hi Meg hi how are you and we're just

1031
00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:40,040
catching you before you're jetting off

1032
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,900
to live in Germany that's correct i'm

1033
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:44,320
moving to hamburg tomorrow morning so

1034
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:47,450
really imagine you before and just to

1035
00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:50,120
mention that you're hoping to catch up

1036
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,460
with the local skeptics in hamburg

1037
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:54,320
that's right there's a Hamburg skeptics

1038
00:39:59,200 --> 00:39:56,450
club which meets on the 13th of every

1039
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:59,210
month and so I'll be going to their next

1040
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:01,430
meeting so hello to any Hamburg skeptics

1041
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:03,110
who happened to be listening that's

1042
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:05,870
fantastic and I was just looking at

1043
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:08,810
their website I can find that again well

1044
00:40:11,890 --> 00:40:10,370
you look listeners in Germany or

1045
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:11,900
anywhere around the world just don't

1046
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,150
Google Hamburg skeptics and you'll

1047
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,880
certainly find their website and that'd

1048
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:19,040
be fantastic if you could meet with them

1049
00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:22,640
and share like-minded things with

1050
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:24,320
like-minded people exactly this is what

1051
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:26,510
we all love to do especially when we

1052
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:28,310
have been jet-setting around the world

1053
00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:31,490
dr. AG we have haven't we oh yes where

1054
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:33,950
have we been oh we've been to dragoncon

1055
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:37,010
yeah i'm about to go again Richard what

1056
00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:39,710
I'm going back to the states in about

1057
00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:42,200
two weeks where are you going

1058
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,940
well I'm going to salt lake city to find

1059
00:40:48,430 --> 00:40:46,640
myself a husband because if because I

1060
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:48,440
heard that you know they've got a few

1061
00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:52,070
they share wives in Salt Lake Tony so I

1062
00:40:56,050 --> 00:40:54,230
see in magic underwear and magic

1063
00:40:58,030 --> 00:40:56,060
underwear well no actually I'm going to

1064
00:41:00,310 --> 00:40:58,040
Wyoming I'm going for a work conference

1065
00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:00,320
but I will be stopping in Salt Lake on

1066
00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:02,630
the way back and I'm going to be doing a

1067
00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:05,240
talk on the twenty-third of October on

1068
00:41:10,210 --> 00:41:08,420
Saturday and stop making salt lake city

1069
00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:10,220
in salt lake city I've Salt Lake City

1070
00:41:15,310 --> 00:41:12,320
skeptics are organizing that and we

1071
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:15,320
don't have any more details yet but I'll

1072
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:17,210
keep you posted so if anyone in the area

1073
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:20,210
around Salt Lake City Saturday 23rd of

1074
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:23,930
October fantastic yes we've had our

1075
00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:26,560
listeners of course know we've been

1076
00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:29,180
traveling around the United States we

1077
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:31,700
went to visit brian dunning in the

1078
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:34,250
orange county then we went over all the

1079
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,060
way to dragoncon in Atlanta after that I

1080
00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:40,400
briefly visited our good friend dr. Phil

1081
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,880
Plait astronomer holy haka like what

1082
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:46,400
color that's right and now we're back in

1083
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:48,530
Australia and I think you and I are sort

1084
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:52,670
of over our jet lagging yeah yeah but

1085
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:54,740
we've got another trip coming up on

1086
00:41:59,710 --> 00:41:56,510
Saturday Richard did you want to talk

1087
00:42:01,210 --> 00:41:59,720
about that now absolutely now I may not

1088
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:01,220
if you fill us in about this wonderful

1089
00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:03,170
thing we're doing on the Saturday well

1090
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,420
this is certainly up my alley so to

1091
00:42:09,609 --> 00:42:07,040
speak because as far as i know that has

1092
00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:09,619
not been a big atheistic atheistic

1093
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:11,960
blowout in your castle and you guys are

1094
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:13,369
going to be part of an atheistic blowout

1095
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,050
now I know this may cause a schism

1096
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:16,880
within the skeptics movement because

1097
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:19,010
atheists and skeptics don't always go

1098
00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:20,450
together do they but this is the

1099
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:22,790
skeptics event at it and put on by the

1100
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:24,710
Atheist let's say we're there to promote

1101
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,810
skeptic yeah you're there to give your

1102
00:42:30,670 --> 00:42:28,160
talks and the atheists are going to go

1103
00:42:31,809 --> 00:42:30,680
there and I think a few theists are

1104
00:42:33,579 --> 00:42:31,819
turning up and it could be a great night

1105
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:33,589
I'm going to play a few tunes but I

1106
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:35,690
don't know what music you play for

1107
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,150
atheists and theists to bail it out to I

1108
00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:39,680
don't know I thought the Smiths will go

1109
00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:41,080
quite well so

1110
00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:43,480
good to me so listeners can certainly

1111
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:45,340
find out about that since this show is

1112
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:46,870
going to go out friday we're talking

1113
00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:48,790
saturday yeah there's enough time to get

1114
00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:50,590
also it's the bar on the hill at

1115
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:52,900
newcastle university and i'm sure if you

1116
00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:55,630
follow any links on dr. HC site or on

1117
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,430
your very own site you can find to get

1118
00:42:59,970 --> 00:42:58,720
there it's gonna be great night I'm sure

1119
00:43:01,590 --> 00:42:59,980
we'll have a lot of people and it'll be

1120
00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:01,600
a lot of fun and we don't have events

1121
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:03,700
like this in Newcastle very often so

1122
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:05,170
please come along and support it in fact

1123
00:43:09,930 --> 00:43:07,030
arrogance worth the drive from Sydney or

1124
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:09,940
maybe even Melbourne or / or Burt look

1125
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:11,710
gave up on the indian pacific and get

1126
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:13,390
over here because you know may not if

1127
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:15,250
they drive from perth they'll be driving

1128
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:18,130
across the outback and they might they

1129
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:20,890
just might encounter something in this

1130
00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:22,750
book that i've been reading i might see

1131
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:25,300
something is out there something is out

1132
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:27,880
there unlocking australia's paranormal

1133
00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:29,710
secrets by julie miller and grant

1134
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,020
osborne now they're there believe travel

1135
00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:33,760
writers that will not believe as before

1136
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:35,950
but after writing this book they're

1137
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:37,780
believers in the paranormal secrets of

1138
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:39,130
australia that's quite a thick book

1139
00:43:41,490 --> 00:43:40,510
isn't it it is quite thick book well

1140
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:41,500
they've basically gone out and

1141
00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:43,330
interviewed people and they're very much

1142
00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:45,580
on the side of these things are real and

1143
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:48,700
it is a good read i don't think a lot of

1144
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:50,950
skeptics would enjoy that much I kind of

1145
00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:53,050
liked it but you know but it's not

1146
00:43:58,410 --> 00:43:56,260
particularly skeptical well let me let

1147
00:44:01,230 --> 00:43:58,420
me just quickly quickly flick Lee it's

1148
00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:01,240
clicking quickly I'll quickly turn to

1149
00:44:06,990 --> 00:44:04,270
this page here or is it another page

1150
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:07,000
with a lovely photograph of a UFO I was

1151
00:44:11,849 --> 00:44:09,160
looking at before and what one of the

1152
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:11,859
many UFOs photographs taken by

1153
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:15,089
Ferguson blah blah it's a it's an insect

1154
00:44:19,259 --> 00:44:17,710
are you sure that's an insane yes I mean

1155
00:44:21,509 --> 00:44:19,269
with the Estonian skeptics are studying

1156
00:44:23,309 --> 00:44:21,519
things like that before it's simply an

1157
00:44:25,259 --> 00:44:23,319
insect which is flying across the screen

1158
00:44:27,479 --> 00:44:25,269
slightly out of focus because the focus

1159
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,489
of the cameras on the sky well that's

1160
00:44:33,029 --> 00:44:30,400
ripped the gusset outta here we're here

1161
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,039
to party food yeah yeah now this is this

1162
00:44:36,299 --> 00:44:34,720
is exactly what happened to me when I

1163
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:36,309
went and saw the final version of loose

1164
00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:38,049
change the other night like that there

1165
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:39,700
was that there was a better you than me

1166
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:41,529
well look look I did want to go and see

1167
00:44:45,029 --> 00:44:43,450
it and you know um you know I'm

1168
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:45,039
naturally very skeptical about the whole

1169
00:44:47,849 --> 00:44:46,569
thing they have taken some sensational

1170
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:47,859
things out of it but I can see why

1171
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:50,410
certain people male Americans would find

1172
00:44:53,489 --> 00:44:51,970
it quite offensive and look I went along

1173
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:53,499
just with an open mind have a little bit

1174
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:55,180
there and I mentioned some people that

1175
00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:56,890
you know I hang out with a skeptic

1176
00:45:02,160 --> 00:44:59,470
sometime and what they said was skeptics

1177
00:45:05,279 --> 00:45:02,170
they suck the fun out of life was the

1178
00:45:06,690 --> 00:45:05,289
exact thing I was told now and I I

1179
00:45:08,130 --> 00:45:06,700
disagree with them immediately there you

1180
00:45:10,259 --> 00:45:08,140
should come here and have a think tank

1181
00:45:11,279 --> 00:45:10,269
with it look why don't know I disagree

1182
00:45:12,749 --> 00:45:11,289
because I thought you know there's lots

1183
00:45:15,269 --> 00:45:12,759
of things in science that have fun I

1184
00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:15,279
mean I don't think that you know if you

1185
00:45:19,799 --> 00:45:18,309
have your particular whoo d but but that

1186
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,809
takes a fun out of life you just find

1187
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:22,480
some other fun don't you stuff is really

1188
00:45:28,799 --> 00:45:24,609
fun and that's science but it but it

1189
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:28,809
adds to life I mean go merrily believing

1190
00:45:32,489 --> 00:45:30,730
a delusion I don't think that's very

1191
00:45:34,289 --> 00:45:32,499
much fun I might be fine i don't know

1192
00:45:36,299 --> 00:45:34,299
what do you think makes um i think the

1193
00:45:38,009 --> 00:45:36,309
fun is in finding out the answer yes

1194
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:38,019
rather than believing the mystery find

1195
00:45:41,309 --> 00:45:39,190
out the answer and the reason for the

1196
00:45:42,509 --> 00:45:41,319
mystery and there's the fun well there

1197
00:45:44,579 --> 00:45:42,519
could be fun of that and and i think

1198
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:44,589
that that's a bit of a problem the

1199
00:45:47,489 --> 00:45:46,450
skeptics movements worldwide have is

1200
00:45:49,049 --> 00:45:47,499
that there's this group of people who

1201
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:49,059
think that you know you're a bunch of

1202
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:50,400
party poopers

1203
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:53,160
we just went to dragoncon with 55,000

1204
00:45:57,049 --> 00:45:55,470
other people and there was a huge amount

1205
00:45:59,420 --> 00:45:57,059
of fun and partying going on there

1206
00:46:00,799 --> 00:45:59,430
wasn't there Richard oh goodness me I

1207
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:00,809
mean the way you described it made

1208
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:02,460
ourselves like the Death Eaters from

1209
00:46:07,099 --> 00:46:04,950
Harry Potter you know we all float

1210
00:46:09,769 --> 00:46:07,109
around sucking the soul out of people

1211
00:46:11,710 --> 00:46:09,779
and I don't recall any of that happening

1212
00:46:14,059 --> 00:46:11,720
at DragonCon you know there was a

1213
00:46:15,859 --> 00:46:14,069
hundreds of people hundreds of skeptics

1214
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:15,869
they're all having a fantastically fun

1215
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:18,210
time I must say getting stuck and lift

1216
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:19,650
suitable keys and all sorts of it yeah

1217
00:46:23,779 --> 00:46:21,990
and of course we took a trip out to the

1218
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:23,789
doctor Georgia Guidestones but you have

1219
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,010
talked about on the show that was great

1220
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:28,859
fun um you know to go and check out

1221
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:30,599
these sort of mysteries and these things

1222
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:32,250
they're real road trip to see a real

1223
00:46:35,029 --> 00:46:33,660
little mystery Manor well this is the

1224
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:35,039
thing I think that sometimes people

1225
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:36,690
confuse skeptics with just pure

1226
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:39,240
debunking and I think that's a problem

1227
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:40,890
some time and I'm here to say that you

1228
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:42,630
know they can be fun bunking has its

1229
00:46:47,059 --> 00:46:44,730
place but normally it's we don't take

1230
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:47,069
that attitude but we go and investigate

1231
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:48,510
and if it happens to be bunk what are we

1232
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,220
going to do well a great bunk you know

1233
00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:51,839
and can i mention that something we

1234
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:53,460
mentioned a few weeks ago on the on this

1235
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,650
very drunk tank that we were having was

1236
00:47:01,609 --> 00:46:57,599
remember the everything as listeners it

1237
00:47:04,059 --> 00:47:01,619
here this is orange juice diet coke icee

1238
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:04,069
says God querida I'm gonna cod cannot I

1239
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,910
don't know about you but I've at a hell

1240
00:47:09,859 --> 00:47:07,920
of a week listeners but it's a few weeks

1241
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:09,869
ago we mentioned here on this very drunk

1242
00:47:14,299 --> 00:47:13,020
tank of that if you drove fast enough in

1243
00:47:16,789 --> 00:47:14,309
certain areas of New South Wales you'd

1244
00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:16,799
see a ghost that you remember that that

1245
00:47:20,269 --> 00:47:18,660
you see him up on media watchman yes it

1246
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,279
came up on media watch right here in

1247
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:22,079
Australia and also the local police now

1248
00:47:26,059 --> 00:47:23,880
the ABC in Newcastle we didn't run this

1249
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:26,069
story at all but the local commercial

1250
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:27,480
radio stations went with it a bit there

1251
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:29,640
and apparently quite a few speeding

1252
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:31,260
drivers of in court in that area over

1253
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:33,720
the past couple of weeks by the police

1254
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:35,099
and well the police seem to think the

1255
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:36,450
whole thing's died now and down now

1256
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:37,980
because that areas become known as an

1257
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,089
area where the police are looking for

1258
00:47:43,099 --> 00:47:41,700
you to speed good so I I think we've got

1259
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:43,109
a happy result on that and no one has

1260
00:47:47,269 --> 00:47:45,510
been hurt but Media Watch which is the

1261
00:47:48,329 --> 00:47:47,279
media program here which exposes things

1262
00:47:50,099 --> 00:47:48,339
that happen in the media

1263
00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:50,109
well it basically showed that people

1264
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:51,670
went with this without without any

1265
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:53,140
skeptical approach and it just shows

1266
00:47:56,099 --> 00:47:54,609
that you know a skeptical approach is

1267
00:47:57,569 --> 00:47:56,109
pretty useful when it comes to something

1268
00:47:59,999 --> 00:47:57,579
like a ghost chasing you in the middle

1269
00:48:02,430 --> 00:48:00,009
of night in your car at 180 kilometers

1270
00:48:05,459 --> 00:48:02,440
an hour people have the ad visited the

1271
00:48:07,709 --> 00:48:05,469
impression that skeptics don't even like

1272
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:07,719
to watch something like that fiction or

1273
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:09,400
science fiction in the movies like Lord

1274
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:13,119
of the Rings or Star Wars I mean they

1275
00:48:16,769 --> 00:48:14,529
just like to paint us like that I guess

1276
00:48:18,690 --> 00:48:16,779
yeah look I think it I think it's all of

1277
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:18,700
this and also it's like um people get

1278
00:48:23,069 --> 00:48:21,849
atheists and anti-theists confused a lot

1279
00:48:25,019 --> 00:48:23,079
because people think that if you're Nate

1280
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:25,029
these do part against religion but that

1281
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:26,529
would just be doing what people claiming

1282
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:28,690
religion does a lot so I don't think

1283
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:30,430
it's important to explain to people what

1284
00:48:33,509 --> 00:48:32,049
you guys are up too sometimes so did you

1285
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:33,519
get in trouble at the loose change

1286
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:35,890
screening menos Oh Toby you wouldn't

1287
00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:40,329
bring that up listen is a curious Google

1288
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:42,999
loose change it's all known 11 true for

1289
00:48:46,259 --> 00:48:44,950
things I'm sure that everybody everybody

1290
00:48:49,049 --> 00:48:46,269
everybody listening knows what that's

1291
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:49,059
about but the latest version is a bit

1292
00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:50,710
more straightforward as a documentary

1293
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:52,180
and that's going to have me shot by both

1294
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,650
sides for sure even by saying that

1295
00:48:58,109 --> 00:48:56,319
because they do bring some testable

1296
00:48:59,609 --> 00:48:58,119
evidence in there in the form of science

1297
00:49:02,700 --> 00:48:59,619
who claimed scientist who claims he

1298
00:49:04,229 --> 00:49:02,710
found some nano-thermite and I just

1299
00:49:06,089 --> 00:49:04,239
brought up the fact of discussion

1300
00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:06,099
afterwards that well that could have

1301
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:07,960
there was no chain of evidence like if

1302
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:10,450
you if you are a police organization you

1303
00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:11,710
have someone who gets evidence from the

1304
00:49:15,749 --> 00:49:13,420
scene and they sign off to everybody

1305
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:15,759
before it gets to the lab and there was

1306
00:49:19,859 --> 00:49:18,400
no chain of evidence as such there and

1307
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:19,869
so it could have been come from

1308
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:22,450
somewhere else conceivably or maybe it

1309
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:24,430
was there because some it was in one of

1310
00:49:28,109 --> 00:49:26,410
them being at the CIA had the FBI had

1311
00:49:31,339 --> 00:49:28,119
all kinds of Billy Billy dared to

1312
00:49:34,709 --> 00:49:31,349
contradict something well I Asian I

1313
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:34,719
offered an alternative solution and were

1314
00:49:38,099 --> 00:49:36,670
they delighted and pleased that somebody

1315
00:49:39,959 --> 00:49:38,109
came along with a different idea look

1316
00:49:42,809 --> 00:49:39,969
I'm trying not to paint them as being

1317
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:42,819
any one way or the other but um let's

1318
00:49:45,090 --> 00:49:44,680
just say that they were not happy with

1319
00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:45,100
me doing

1320
00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:47,470
yeah I see my dad and I had a discussion

1321
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,100
about this earlier this week and I

1322
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:53,440
talked about how a dragon con not this

1323
00:49:59,310 --> 00:49:56,470
year but last year during a talk by Ben

1324
00:50:01,320 --> 00:49:59,320
Radford and Joe Nickell they were there

1325
00:50:04,310 --> 00:50:01,330
were two guys who were ghost hunters who

1326
00:50:06,930 --> 00:50:04,320
were in the audience and they took

1327
00:50:09,450 --> 00:50:06,940
exception to something that Ben Radford

1328
00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:09,460
said about their about ghosts or

1329
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:11,320
something and they stood up and started

1330
00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:13,450
yelling and screaming yeah and Joe

1331
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:15,100
Nickell just very calmly answered their

1332
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:18,250
questions just you know gave them the

1333
00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:19,630
information that they wanted but they

1334
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:22,150
were yelling and got quite angry and

1335
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:24,190
eventually I think they stormed out if i

1336
00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:26,350
recall correctly so although we're

1337
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:30,460
painted as as these nasty people that

1338
00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:32,650
dabangg can pooh-pooh everything I've

1339
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:34,540
never seen a skeptic do that I've never

1340
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:37,270
seen a skeptic yell at a believer who

1341
00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:39,130
I'm an idiot who call them stupid or

1342
00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:41,260
I've not ever experienced that I've

1343
00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:43,150
always that you can see people get

1344
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:45,070
frustrated and sometimes a little bit

1345
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:47,710
worked up but they will never look you

1346
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,330
never tell you they don't ever shout you

1347
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,280
down and tell you to shut up it might it

1348
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:52,960
might look I can see it happening when

1349
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:54,850
somebody who thinks there is skeptical

1350
00:50:58,980 --> 00:50:56,530
calls and this is Elsa skeptic which a

1351
00:51:01,620 --> 00:50:58,990
lot of people do yeah yeah it starts to

1352
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:01,630
go off the rails but and look I would

1353
00:51:05,220 --> 00:51:03,160
certainly never call myself a skeptic

1354
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:05,230
because I'm you know what I'm a bit of

1355
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:06,910
Paris kept it go a bit curious about

1356
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,590
things but I'm I haven't got much

1357
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:10,720
knowledge that most people around this

1358
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:12,490
table tend to have about things chief

1359
00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:14,260
Richards pretty clever you know he sees

1360
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:15,790
free smart they just dropped his food on

1361
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:20,260
the floor Thank You Man I'm sure our

1362
00:51:30,270 --> 00:51:26,230
listeners wanted to know that but but I

1363
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:30,280
I think what the people from let's just

1364
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:32,140
say who are non skeptics off often feel

1365
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:34,150
as that skeptics are reinforcing what is

1366
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:36,370
considered to be consensus reality and

1367
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:38,290
that you guys are if not working for the

1368
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:39,970
man have been sucked into some view of

1369
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:41,530
reality a lot of people think that yeah

1370
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:43,240
suck into some view of reality which

1371
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:44,890
people are going along with which which

1372
00:51:47,570 --> 00:51:45,960
they have seen

1373
00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:47,580
alternative to and they kind of get

1374
00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:49,080
annoyed because you won't do that's why

1375
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,790
the 911 troopers like the people

1376
00:51:54,859 --> 00:51:52,800
themselves as the real skeptics in that

1377
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:54,869
situation or in the old days when the

1378
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:56,940
moon hoax was still going on the other

1379
00:52:03,140 --> 00:52:01,020
days still go yeah it's pretty sort of

1380
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,150
but the people railing against saying

1381
00:52:06,980 --> 00:52:04,800
you know that the moon hoax see what was

1382
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:06,990
the moon landings were filmed in the

1383
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,730
studio they would call themselves the

1384
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:11,280
real skeptics you see him well this also

1385
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:13,020
brings a wider thing of where the

1386
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:14,760
climate skeptics sit in the whole thing

1387
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:16,859
too because that that's a really big one

1388
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:18,570
that's almost as bad as the atheists in

1389
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:20,730
the skeptics custard look to be honest

1390
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:23,130
the skeptic zone usually steers a bit

1391
00:52:26,060 --> 00:52:24,480
clear of that topic for that very

1392
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:26,070
reasonable because it's a huge topic

1393
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,510
with the huge amount of information that

1394
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:29,400
if you've got to prove one side of the

1395
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:31,530
other no I don't know I mean how do you

1396
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:33,270
guys handle it are you talking about

1397
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:35,730
climate change oh yeah well as

1398
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:37,859
Australians give deeps which I represent

1399
00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:40,440
and so does Richard we about eight

1400
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:41,820
months ago we actually wrote a statement

1401
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:43,740
on our website issued a statement saying

1402
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:45,930
that we don't talk about climate change

1403
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:49,170
we are not we are not climate change

1404
00:52:52,579 --> 00:52:50,490
skeptics they are different by the

1405
00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:52,589
difference in us yeah we try to

1406
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:54,119
differentiate ourselves by calling

1407
00:53:01,099 --> 00:52:57,420
ourselves skeptics with a capital s not

1408
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:01,109
just skeptics like yeah but we can't

1409
00:53:07,460 --> 00:53:04,380
have we can't be across all basis all

1410
00:53:10,070 --> 00:53:07,470
the time hmm and as I may not climate

1411
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:10,080
change sign I haven't signed us so we

1412
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:11,400
leave it up to the best opinion at the

1413
00:53:14,810 --> 00:53:13,260
time you know I wrote to one of the

1414
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:14,820
offend of the show know who wrote to me

1415
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,010
recently asking me something like this I

1416
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:19,200
said look we pick our fights we can't

1417
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:23,609
cover every possible situation we just

1418
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:27,030
can't it's impossible I like to confine

1419
00:53:31,339 --> 00:53:29,330
myself to broadly speaking to these

1420
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:31,349
traditional skeptical outlook which is

1421
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:33,330
paranormal supernatural all made that

1422
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:35,369
sort of stuff if other people want to

1423
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:37,410
chase other topics then that that's

1424
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:40,200
really great because if I tried to chase

1425
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:42,210
every topic that people think we should

1426
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:43,740
be chasing with

1427
00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:45,420
we couldn't get anywhere this was the

1428
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:48,540
subject of a discussion that occurred

1429
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:50,610
after tam 8 this year Richard because

1430
00:53:57,350 --> 00:53:53,930
Richard Dawkins scared at all where he

1431
00:54:00,740 --> 00:53:57,360
in he kind of set out what he thought

1432
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:00,750
should be the priorities for skeptics to

1433
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:02,310
be dealing with and who said the first

1434
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:03,720
thing that they should be dealing with

1435
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:05,880
and the most important thing is religion

1436
00:54:11,570 --> 00:54:08,280
and then everything else comes after

1437
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:11,580
that now I don't agree with that I think

1438
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:13,800
like you that each person should just

1439
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:15,210
pick their fight depending on what they

1440
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:19,350
want to do I particularly disagree with

1441
00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:21,030
that because I think that people that

1442
00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:24,300
push old med or scam products or

1443
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:26,190
anti-vaccination people are doing a lot

1444
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:30,050
more direct damage than religious people

1445
00:54:36,050 --> 00:54:33,630
so he said his idea was well everything

1446
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:36,060
else is irrelevant because religion is

1447
00:54:38,810 --> 00:54:37,140
the biggest problem that we have

1448
00:54:40,940 --> 00:54:38,820
remember that's that's his fine and

1449
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:40,950
that's fine I know but I and that's fine

1450
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,300
he come down and do that and he does a

1451
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:43,680
good job of that and that's his business

1452
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,770
but to then say that everyone else

1453
00:54:50,090 --> 00:54:48,000
should be doing that I think it's wrong

1454
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:50,100
I think people can pick their fights and

1455
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:52,050
if you somebody wants to go off and

1456
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:54,330
debunk climate change that's what ever

1457
00:54:59,570 --> 00:54:56,670
thats good going you know knock yourself

1458
00:55:01,700 --> 00:54:59,580
out that's not what I do I try and apply

1459
00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:01,710
my skills where I can to do the best I

1460
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:04,470
can and to that for me is not religion

1461
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,530
so now I know I totally agree because we

1462
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:08,880
do pick our fights because that's where

1463
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:11,609
our specialty lies yeah and now I'm I

1464
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:13,380
wouldn't be much good out there when I'm

1465
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:14,940
climate change I really wouldn't I'd

1466
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:16,410
look like a goose cuz i really don't

1467
00:55:19,220 --> 00:55:17,970
know enough about it who does you know

1468
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:19,230
it's really difficult i don't know how

1469
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:21,090
to tell as creationists because i don't

1470
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:22,410
know their arguments that's not my area

1471
00:55:25,470 --> 00:55:24,119
right but I can certainly get out there

1472
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:25,480
and

1473
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:28,750
do the old UFO which I did you just

1474
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:30,250
ruined that book for everything I do

1475
00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:31,900
know that something is out there

1476
00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:34,030
unlocking Australia's paranormal secrets

1477
00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:36,040
you've torn the gusset out of that and

1478
00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:37,780
that's a scientific term I think Joe

1479
00:55:43,050 --> 00:55:40,390
that was first used by Madame Curie I

1480
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:43,060
believe something you do in Radium now

1481
00:55:46,770 --> 00:55:45,010
who has published this book mammoth Wow

1482
00:55:49,859 --> 00:55:46,780
this one is let's park assist

1483
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,869
from allen & unwin Alan Lanham and I've

1484
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:51,040
been trying to chase the authors for an

1485
00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:52,090
interview and I'd love to talk to them

1486
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:54,040
I'd I just want to know how that what

1487
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:55,690
these people were like that they met

1488
00:55:59,820 --> 00:55:58,210
unlocking Australia's paranormal secrets

1489
00:56:01,530 --> 00:55:59,830
something is out there I'm sure I'll

1490
00:56:03,330 --> 00:56:01,540
listeners could google that or maybe

1491
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:03,340
find it in your favorite book shop it's

1492
00:56:07,859 --> 00:56:05,290
great picture in there right I think

1493
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:07,869
it's over 300 pages sorry Rachel there's

1494
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,090
a picture of the alleged monster that

1495
00:56:15,150 --> 00:56:12,880
lives in the hawkesbury river this is a

1496
00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:15,160
guy who I think you're familiar with Rex

1497
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:19,000
Gilroy yeah um yeah II hunter and all

1498
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:20,320
that sort of stuff hits from the Blue

1499
00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:21,850
Mountains and me and he's been doing

1500
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:23,140
this for a long time but he believes

1501
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:24,910
there's a dinosaur living in the

1502
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:26,830
hawkesbury river and there's a

1503
00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:28,810
photograph in this book it's fantastic

1504
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:31,420
actually is oh is this a satellite photo

1505
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:34,510
no no it looks like at night I've got to

1506
00:56:37,740 --> 00:56:36,070
be a pennant now and say it please your

1507
00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:37,750
saw wasn't technically a dinosaur but I

1508
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:39,790
know we give me there it is look there

1509
00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:44,850
it is look at small that's that's scary

1510
00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:49,750
yes Rachel stop laughing well I've got

1511
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:51,940
some new here for you with child only be

1512
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:53,170
made aware of this week I'm sure

1513
00:56:56,790 --> 00:56:54,820
American listeners will probably know

1514
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:56,800
about this already but I rang Richard

1515
00:56:59,640 --> 00:56:58,090
and Rachel stretch she wasn't available

1516
00:57:02,160 --> 00:56:59,650
she was she was in some executive lounge

1517
00:57:03,810 --> 00:57:02,170
I couldn't get on the right path I bet

1518
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:03,820
on the Richard immediately when I saw an

1519
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:07,570
ad for what looked like infusion RX oh

1520
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:11,200
yeah now what this is it will if what

1521
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:14,050
seems to be purported to be is instead

1522
00:57:18,359 --> 00:57:16,210
of in getting Botox injections which can

1523
00:57:20,099 --> 00:57:18,369
go horribly wrong this the better you

1524
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:20,109
get this substance which is in a syringe

1525
00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:22,030
but not with a needle that's right you

1526
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:23,560
could use dab it onto the surface of

1527
00:57:29,470 --> 00:57:27,410
your skin and it it sort of freezes your

1528
00:57:32,109 --> 00:57:29,480
your muscles I watched the ad that he

1529
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,119
sent me yeah yeah well and I've looked

1530
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:34,160
it I've looked into it what it appears

1531
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,010
to do is it makes the water molecules in

1532
00:57:42,490 --> 00:57:40,240
your skin swell and fill in the cracks

1533
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:42,500
so it causes swelling in the water

1534
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:44,390
molecules that's what it was claiming to

1535
00:57:48,430 --> 00:57:46,760
do you're horrified I'm wondering

1536
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:48,440
whether this is the same out i saw on

1537
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:51,170
pay-tv with the snake venom and it's got

1538
00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:52,910
this woman going look I can't even frown

1539
00:58:00,130 --> 00:57:55,660
any more like it's a good thing that you

1540
00:58:02,529 --> 00:58:00,140
was she got BP it's no it's it's a

1541
00:58:04,089 --> 00:58:02,539
similar product a similar product and

1542
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:04,099
what they do is they do one off mmm

1543
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:05,510
space and lyndella half and you're

1544
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:06,530
thinking well that's not much good in

1545
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:09,680
the bus home is it but the end I saw was

1546
00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:11,630
half is this stuff and half as Botox

1547
00:58:17,710 --> 00:58:14,270
yeah and can you choose which is Botox

1548
00:58:19,059 --> 00:58:17,720
and which is our stuff I'm actually

1549
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:19,069
thinking of getting some of this and

1550
00:58:22,839 --> 00:58:21,170
trying the half face test at like one of

1551
00:58:24,910 --> 00:58:22,849
the skeptics meetings I reckon I'm just

1552
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:24,920
the kind of guy like sometimes you need

1553
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:26,569
an idiot and I'm just the kidiot to put

1554
00:58:32,349 --> 00:58:29,750
their hand up no I watched the ad you

1555
00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:32,359
sent me may not and and I did make some

1556
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:33,980
claims about how it fills up the

1557
00:58:39,970 --> 00:58:37,730
wrinkles but didn't explain how well no

1558
00:58:42,420 --> 00:58:39,980
because first out you can't put water

1559
00:58:46,029 --> 00:58:42,430
into selves that just makes them first

1560
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,039
because that's why when you with if you

1561
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:48,559
are dehydrated and you get a drip you

1562
00:58:53,710 --> 00:58:50,630
get saline drip they don't put water in

1563
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:53,720
TV because your cells are ass a line

1564
00:58:58,900 --> 00:58:56,960
that contain salts so if you put water

1565
00:59:01,210 --> 00:58:58,910
into a salty mixture that displaces the

1566
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,220
salt and they're so burst listen to be

1567
00:59:07,059 --> 00:59:04,640
claiming that the water cells swell how

1568
00:59:12,190 --> 00:59:07,069
would they swell well they can't swell

1569
00:59:15,099 --> 00:59:12,200
unless you block the receptors on the

1570
00:59:17,529 --> 00:59:15,109
plasma membrane and you can't do that

1571
00:59:19,779 --> 00:59:17,539
with a syringe so I wanted I would how

1572
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,789
it does work because it appeared to do

1573
00:59:22,660 --> 00:59:20,720
something area

1574
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:22,670
yeah and and and there and they're very

1575
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:25,490
big as mostly sings on long explanations

1576
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:28,490
that don't mean much yeah got a moment

1577
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:29,750
I'll actually go to their website now

1578
00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:31,310
and read it and maybe someone with a

1579
00:59:34,570 --> 00:59:32,900
doctorate can explain i qi the hell

1580
00:59:36,310 --> 00:59:34,580
can't while you're doing that manner you

1581
00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:36,320
look that up I just let our listen to

1582
00:59:40,330 --> 00:59:37,700
know about a few more things while we're

1583
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:40,340
going the latest magazine from

1584
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:42,290
Australian skeptics and verse skeptics

1585
00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:45,410
is out and available with a report on

1586
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:47,240
Tam eight and many other things and you

1587
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:50,090
can have a little order that in fact at

1588
00:59:58,930 --> 00:59:56,690
ww skeptics calm a you up for auction at

1589
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:58,940
the moment is death from the skies by

1590
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:02,000
dr. Phil Plait as signed on the skeptic

1591
01:00:11,020 --> 01:00:05,240
zone episode 99 phil was very gracious

1592
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:11,030
to sign a copy be quiet and wait there's

1593
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,450
more look you get sick stay close oh now

1594
01:00:18,820 --> 01:00:16,400
phil was gracious enough to give me a

1595
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:18,830
copy and sign it and that's up for

1596
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,530
auction on ebay just googled death from

1597
01:00:25,810 --> 01:00:23,599
the skies still plate and i'll put a

1598
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:25,820
link on the skeptic zone for that now

1599
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:28,130
dr. Richie yes a quick nut word about

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:31,070
Tam Australia yes that's so exciting and

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01:00:35,650 --> 01:00:33,050
working very hard to bring our most

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01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:35,660
radical everybody we have become

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01:00:43,420 --> 01:00:39,160
available some sponsorship opportunities

1604
01:00:44,890 --> 01:00:43,430
for Tam Australia now we've got 600 plus

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01:00:48,339 --> 01:00:44,900
delegates coming along if there any

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01:00:50,829 --> 01:00:48,349
companies in Sydney or in Australia or

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01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:50,839
in the world anywhere anywhere who are

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01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:53,359
interested in sponsoring tam australia

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01:00:58,810 --> 01:00:55,910
by getting your information to every

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01:01:02,290 --> 01:00:58,820
delegate by leaflets or pens or whatever

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01:01:03,550 --> 01:01:02,300
you want to do you can contact us we're

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01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:03,560
looking for some more sponsors at the

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01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:05,930
moment and we've also got some new

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01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:08,150
speakers to announce richard which is

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01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:10,609
very exciting Australians would know

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:13,430
very well Steve Canaan who is a

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01:01:16,690 --> 01:01:15,050
journalist a Walkley award winning

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01:01:22,660 --> 01:01:16,700
journalist hot he's pretty hot

1619
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:22,670
too look at me or grin I think we have a

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01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:25,690
man-crush here a second and of course

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01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:27,660
currently

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01:01:32,839 --> 01:01:30,839
is on ABC 24 and does oh my god the drum

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01:01:34,279 --> 01:01:32,849
yeah but also works at late line and he

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01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:34,289
broke a lot of the stories about the

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01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,410
avian throughout 2010 he's going to be

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01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:39,359
coming we're also very excited to have

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01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,599
Nick cowdrey now he is the current DPP

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:45,359
the Director of Public Prosecutions yes

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:49,490
so o Allah I might keep a low profile

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01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:53,010
and catchment alum be and of course I

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01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:54,329
know that gets a secret the big smith

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01:01:59,599 --> 01:01:57,480
will be speaking yes dick smith is

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01:02:02,390 --> 01:01:59,609
actually going to be interviewing on

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01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:02,400
stage james randi although or a chat

1635
01:02:06,529 --> 01:02:03,750
they'll be chatting me i'll be chatting

1636
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,539
what was that I said wow I'm so jealous

1637
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,160
that I'm not gonna be here for 10 miles

1638
01:02:12,529 --> 01:02:10,559
that I'll be my way across the globe but

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01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:12,539
you can you get a little ater hosen

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01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:17,700
polka stuff ok yeah you can do the duck

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01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:21,030
dance no I'm close Richard you might

1642
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,369
remember that dick smith was one of the

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01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:24,960
people who was a founding member of

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01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:28,410
australians indoors he is he was yeah so

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01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:31,650
for the first time in 30 years Randy and

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01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:33,390
it's not Dick Smith will be on stage

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01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:35,190
together chatting about the old days

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01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:37,529
that'll be fantastic a few more enough

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01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:41,039
quick announcements the the Opera House

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01:02:49,269 --> 01:02:46,260
has written to me and I yes it's a hyper

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01:02:52,819 --> 01:02:49,279
opera frankly I'm I'm skeptical of that

1652
01:02:55,819 --> 01:02:52,829
they're holding their holding the

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:55,829
festival of Dangerous Ideas in early

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01:03:00,910 --> 01:02:58,410
October second or third of October and

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01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:00,920
they've got events with people like

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01:03:06,890 --> 01:03:04,650
Geoffrey Robinson QC talking about

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01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:06,900
should the Pope be held to account that

1658
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:08,819
sounds quite controversial another

1659
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,210
highlight is why the religious will

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01:03:18,019 --> 01:03:15,119
inherit the earth anyway listeners can

1661
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:18,029
certainly go to Sydney Opera House calm

1662
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:20,970
/ what's on and find out more the

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:23,730
festival of Dangerous Ideas and a few

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01:03:26,359 --> 01:03:24,930
more announcements I'll get to at the

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01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:26,369
end of the show now may not what have we

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01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:28,799
found well look I've come up with a not

1667
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:30,390
the actual website for this product but

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01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:32,110
it describes here what it's

1669
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:34,810
I'll try and try and reel make this nice

1670
01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:38,170
and big dead dr. Reggie just explaining

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01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:39,580
this wrinkle cream does that help to you

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01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:42,910
at Oliver yes I've read this I read this

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01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:44,980
when you send it to me a feed respir

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01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:47,650
technology what is there yeah that's

1675
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:52,480
made up so do you use the term

1676
01:03:58,170 --> 01:03:54,730
highly ironic now highly ironic acid is

1677
01:04:01,200 --> 01:03:58,180
a molecule that is part of I think I've

1678
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:01,210
College ins component but it is actually

1679
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:04,690
a molecule so then what they've done

1680
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:06,190
here they noticed something which

1681
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:07,450
shouldn't I talk about a lot is they've

1682
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:09,190
taken a whole lot of science words and

1683
01:04:13,650 --> 01:04:11,170
they put them into a hat and then

1684
01:04:15,570 --> 01:04:13,660
they've pulled them out at random to

1685
01:04:18,450 --> 01:04:15,580
make it sound science ii so they've said

1686
01:04:20,940 --> 01:04:18,460
a feed rest via technology uses

1687
01:04:23,310 --> 01:04:20,950
hyaluronic microspheres of marine origin

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01:04:25,170 --> 01:04:23,320
that's they fill in deep

1689
01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:25,180
wrinkles dehydrated for a better

1690
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:27,190
penetration their micro injected into

1691
01:04:31,590 --> 01:04:29,700
the skin and swell up with water

1692
01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:31,600
wrinkles are filled in very quickly

1693
01:04:36,650 --> 01:04:35,260
thanks to volume increase the technology

1694
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:36,660
also provides long-lasting hydration

1695
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:40,810
thanks to a micro reservoir effects so

1696
01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:42,250
somehow they're claiming that there's

1697
01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:45,190
water coming from somewhere else in your

1698
01:04:49,050 --> 01:04:47,080
skin to swell it up or as the water

1699
01:04:52,020 --> 01:04:49,060
coming from the cream that is put on it

1700
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:52,030
and why can't you have a hydrologic

1701
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:54,210
microsphere of marina region by the way

1702
01:04:59,550 --> 01:04:57,220
hyaluronic acid is a compound microscope

1703
01:05:04,830 --> 01:04:59,560
is is a word but that sentence is

1704
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:04,840
amazing Marine origin well I mean it

1705
01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:07,210
comes from fish or call wrong at all

1706
01:05:12,930 --> 01:05:08,830
have you wanna custard you can just buy

1707
01:05:15,210 --> 01:05:12,940
it in a jar marine origin is pretty

1708
01:05:16,740 --> 01:05:15,220
meaningless system yeah maybe they

1709
01:05:18,690 --> 01:05:16,750
bought it at a shop near the harbor I

1710
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:18,700
used to watch marine boy when I was a

1711
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:21,550
boy it came off he had if he had great

1712
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:24,010
swimmers dude trillion I'm I'm currently

1713
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:25,450
writing a paper on this

1714
01:05:30,780 --> 01:05:29,170
it was like astro boy yeah on how people

1715
01:05:32,490 --> 01:05:30,790
use science is sounding words to make

1716
01:05:34,349 --> 01:05:32,500
their products are more legitimate and

1717
01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:34,359
then they can charge weirdly turns into

1718
01:05:38,819 --> 01:05:36,670
battery yeah well we did that we did

1719
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:38,829
that yeah and you've done that as well

1720
01:05:44,130 --> 01:05:41,650
as he oh and also the one you do in

1721
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:44,140
mystery investigators fake fake yes yeah

1722
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:47,290
which is future applied was a future

1723
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:49,810
applied committees kinetic energy yeah

1724
01:05:54,359 --> 01:05:52,480
right and here which is harmonic energy

1725
01:05:56,790 --> 01:05:54,369
oscillation yeah so this is an example

1726
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:56,800
of where they've just taken a lot of

1727
01:06:00,510 --> 01:05:58,960
words that sound science ii and throwing

1728
01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:00,520
them into a sentence to make it sound

1729
01:06:05,370 --> 01:06:02,800
legitimate and then they can charge $64

1730
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:05,380
94 ah well see this is where i come see

1731
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:07,570
dr. Reggie knows what the go is here I

1732
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:08,770
see there'd and I think well that's

1733
01:06:11,819 --> 01:06:10,210
funny I can make a joke out of that

1734
01:06:13,650 --> 01:06:11,829
that's why you need people I got to

1735
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:13,660
reach you in the world look I haven't

1736
01:06:18,359 --> 01:06:17,170
seen that the blurb is gibberish I don't

1737
01:06:19,859 --> 01:06:18,369
know if there's any evidence that this

1738
01:06:22,589 --> 01:06:19,869
stuff actually does anything I haven't

1739
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:22,599
looked up the sign it does on the ad

1740
01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:25,690
well it just says here clinically proven

1741
01:06:29,579 --> 01:06:27,400
eighty-three percent reduction in

1742
01:06:32,010 --> 01:06:29,589
wrinkles or something so administered

1743
01:06:33,180 --> 01:06:32,020
minutes see photos oh no that's nothing

1744
01:06:35,339 --> 01:06:33,190
that's a different products out there

1745
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:35,349
today but like I said I might actually

1746
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:37,359
put down some of the the main-yard

1747
01:06:41,849 --> 01:06:39,760
millions on this and and maybe try it

1748
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:41,859
out sometime and we'll see how we go I'm

1749
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:44,440
looking forward to it let me quickly

1750
01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:45,849
mention a couple more things for our

1751
01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:47,500
listeners might be interested in there's

1752
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:52,060
a new shop on zazzle stop merrill dory

1753
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,810
oh you can buy your stop merrill dory

1754
01:06:59,460 --> 01:06:57,760
merchandise including t-shirts and

1755
01:07:02,010 --> 01:06:59,470
you're looking at one earlier dr. AG

1756
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,020
yeah earlier that says i have a brain

1757
01:07:06,030 --> 01:07:04,480
too yes metal died up now there's lots

1758
01:07:09,930 --> 01:07:06,040
of links i've been given here but look

1759
01:07:12,140 --> 01:07:09,940
if listeners just go to zazzle.com au /

1760
01:07:13,309 --> 01:07:12,150
stop merrill dory

1761
01:07:15,620 --> 01:07:13,319
at the moment I think that's probably

1762
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:15,630
the easiest thing to run to and check

1763
01:07:20,359 --> 01:07:17,369
out the list of merchandise you can also

1764
01:07:26,539 --> 01:07:20,369
buy a mug that says vaccination it works

1765
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,549
in fact I've got on under my

1766
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:29,039
sleeve I've got my vaccination tattoo

1767
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,650
you roll up my sleeve right dr. AG and

1768
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:33,359
there it is look I know me I'm

1769
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:36,059
fascinated that's so cool yeah that is

1770
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:38,099
very nice you guys now if you were

1771
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,660
really serious you would had a blood

1772
01:07:43,460 --> 01:07:41,520
tattoo like Penn & Teller recommended

1773
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:43,470
data method which is you go to a tattoo

1774
01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:45,450
parlor they don't want ink in there and

1775
01:07:48,980 --> 01:07:47,400
they do it with the needle so it's cars

1776
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:48,990
but then it goes away after a while if

1777
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:50,609
you're a serious science guy you'd have

1778
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:52,710
a blood test maybe I'm not okay oh yes

1779
01:07:59,240 --> 01:07:54,539
then has a little bit scared of things

1780
01:08:01,220 --> 01:07:59,250
like that time and finally we have a we

1781
01:08:03,019 --> 01:08:01,230
have a new forum which may be of

1782
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:03,029
interest to our listeners in New Zealand

1783
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:05,369
Australia and the Pacific region which

1784
01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:09,599
is HTTP colon slash slash australasian

1785
01:08:16,590 --> 01:08:13,529
skeptics dot info to new forum just

1786
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:16,600
started up about the

1787
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:18,730
specific interest to Australia New

1788
01:08:26,190 --> 01:08:23,410
Zealand and the area there so as they

1789
01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:26,200
say as Molly Meldrum would say do

1790
01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:28,450
yourself a favor do yourself a favor

1791
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:29,980
we're at cowboy hat and do try and be

1792
01:08:38,130 --> 01:08:36,400
gay I see but that's only for the

1793
01:08:40,650 --> 01:08:38,140
Austrian lessness can I just bring some

1794
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:40,660
terbium into it for a moment oh yes now

1795
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:43,270
um okay as you know I gay what should I

1796
01:08:48,810 --> 01:08:45,640
keep up with their current events at the

1797
01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:48,820
moment China has stopped all exports of

1798
01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:51,760
raw earth elements to Japan well big

1799
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,870
deal we'll get them somewhere else well

1800
01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:54,880
probably you know Japan's bit unhappy

1801
01:08:59,610 --> 01:08:57,220
about this because terbium is one rare

1802
01:09:00,840 --> 01:08:59,620
earth element of which I think China has

1803
01:09:03,270 --> 01:09:00,850
about ninety three percent of the

1804
01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:03,280
world's supply now terbium is the kind

1805
01:09:06,510 --> 01:09:04,750
of thing instead of bound within other

1806
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:06,520
rocks on that but it is really useful

1807
01:09:10,770 --> 01:09:08,290
and I had to look this up to make sure I

1808
01:09:13,410 --> 01:09:10,780
say this right it is a crystal

1809
01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:13,420
stabilizer in fuel cells so if using a

1810
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:14,980
fuel cell in anything could be like you

1811
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:17,710
know you're here hybrid cars or anything

1812
01:09:21,450 --> 01:09:19,570
that they used for now you probably need

1813
01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:21,460
a bit of turbulence get a bit upset

1814
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:23,020
about this and the reason the Chinese

1815
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:24,010
aren't letting in the habit is because

1816
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:25,690
they've got is a fishing dispute going

1817
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:27,040
on between the two of them at the moment

1818
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:29,290
so the Vietnamese are getting into this

1819
01:09:33,330 --> 01:09:31,810
by getting a bit some terbium processing

1820
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:33,340
factories just near the border people

1821
01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:36,370
are sneak in terbium over so next time

1822
01:09:40,170 --> 01:09:38,680
in plot conversation go well if

1823
01:09:42,750 --> 01:09:40,180
something Bad's happening wells not as

1824
01:09:45,599 --> 01:09:42,760
bad as that terbium situation and then

1825
01:09:51,260 --> 01:09:45,609
go so try and use that I say on the was

1826
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:51,270
a skippy scarred universe sure be there

1827
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:54,130
quote a wealth of information right no

1828
01:09:58,800 --> 01:09:56,170
no another will can he said in the

1829
01:10:01,230 --> 01:09:58,810
DeLorean in Back to the Future made up I

1830
01:10:02,940 --> 01:10:01,240
reckon you would I reckon a flux

1831
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:02,950
capacitor the bit where the crazy

1832
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:05,440
science the banana in that that little

1833
01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:08,890
battle mr. was enormous mr. fuel mr.

1834
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:11,590
fusion diffusion was probably pure

1835
01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:15,940
terbium and finally just another note

1836
01:10:19,890 --> 01:10:17,680
from me or two more notes our good

1837
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:19,900
friend philip has coffee now he's back

1838
01:10:22,590 --> 01:10:20,770
in Austria

1839
01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:22,600
yeah I think he's in Melbourne at the

1840
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:24,220
moment now he was interviewed on the

1841
01:10:29,490 --> 01:10:27,510
skeptic zone Oh three or four months ago

1842
01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:29,500
fantastic moment longer than that

1843
01:10:34,890 --> 01:10:32,380
fantastic Mentalist yeah then a really

1844
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,900
nice bloke to boot philip s coffee check

1845
01:10:38,190 --> 01:10:36,640
him out if you're in Melbourne is that

1846
01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:38,200
the Melbourne comedy festival during a

1847
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:40,030
show called six more impossible things

1848
01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:41,710
before dinner and I can thoroughly

1849
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:43,630
recommend that you go see it hey Philip

1850
01:10:49,140 --> 01:10:45,300
if you're listening give us a shot and

1851
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:49,150
finally the last episode of the skeptic

1852
01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:50,800
zone which was of course the skeptics

1853
01:10:58,230 --> 01:10:54,580
and live from dragoncon is now online on

1854
01:11:01,170 --> 01:10:58,240
YouTube as a video you can check it out

1855
01:11:04,830 --> 01:11:01,180
if you go to youtube and just type in

1856
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:04,840
skeptic zone or my youtube channel which

1857
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:08,890
is skeptic zone podcast all one word and

1858
01:11:12,570 --> 01:11:10,930
please if you are out come along to the

1859
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:12,580
big skeptic atheist blow out of the bar

1860
01:11:17,730 --> 01:11:14,770
on the hill you councilman said their

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night and look me and Dunning a mean

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meet me and Brian Dunning a very close

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in fact I've got this very special event

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coming up with the skeptics in Sydney

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soon and I rang Brian I said Brian I

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need your full support behind this and

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he has thrown himself wholeheartedly

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behind me talking to the skeptics he's

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that sort of guy from scribd com room

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now big it's um it's it's a bond by osh

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it is boys as you'll soon be saying good

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the riser yeah again all our German

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listeners Meg's heading your way she's

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going to be living in Hamburg but check

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out the Hamburg skeptics and you'll be

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looking forward to meeting all such

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people looking forward very much to

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meeting them seeing what is the topics

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that the German skeptics are are talking

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about what what are the fights that

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they're fighting over there and I know

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homeopathy is huge in Germany very very

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entrenched

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so I do know that the Hamburg skeptics

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are getting behind the 10 23 campaign

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for next beginning of next year so that

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will definitely be something to look

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forward to and seeing how the Germans

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react to to a whole bunch of skeptics

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overdosing on homeopathy medication well

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look may get there if anything comes up

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and you're able to send us a report but

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wait alchemy European correspondent good

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in the bottom third when your photos up

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there and and I just say that earlier

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this year I proposed to the ABC that I

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did and overdosing on Homer pathak

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medicine at the front of John Hunter

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Hospital film did did it live so episode

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anything goes wrong I could just go on

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into the casualty and I want to put out

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though I was gonna be outside because I

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didn't want actually clogged up casualty

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with something like that you know that

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wasn't needed i was going to be outside

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and they would not let me do it they

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said it is imitable behavior and you are

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not allowed to do that how you see

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maenad i am yes so you guys can be yes

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oh yeah so you know ABC staff another

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level overdose on homeopathic medicine

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on camera because you sure we can take

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as much coke as we like the window I'm

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not allowed to touch the home of that

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thank you may not and we look forward to

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seeing you and Newcastle and then in

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Sydney very soon for the first new

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skeptics in the pub in our new pub and

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the good thing is i'm only a small part

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of both those events so it would be very

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easy to miss me dr. AG thanks Richard

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thank you for coming along and that was

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a nice as ever I'm nice Chinese meal

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we've had here at momma wants yes Mama's

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lovely she always takes care of us as I

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think he does oh and one last quick plug

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if you like to know what kind of music

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I'm into have listened at Manor com that

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are you we've been doing a podcast line

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from a bus stop and if you like the bus

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announcements here a bus actually pulled

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up and I interviewed a bus driver the

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other day it's the opposite of gripping

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is dripping its dripping

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so thank you very much everybody for

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coming along and uncle our next meeting

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in a couple of weeks for the think tank

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what did you say that

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on Sunday October third at nine-thirty

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am joined the Granite State skeptics on

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a walking tour of historic Salem

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01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:45,360
Massachusetts learn the history and view

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01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:47,580
the sights of this historic town made

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famous by arthur miller's the crucible

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and the Salem witch trials we will be

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01:14:56,210 --> 01:14:54,330
meeting at the salem visitor center

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where we will begin our tour and enjoy

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01:15:01,190 --> 01:14:58,890
such sights as a salem witch museum the

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House of the Seven Gables and the Salem

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pirate museum while the cost of the tour

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is free some of the sites we will be

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01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:08,460
stopping at do charge a fee for more

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information in full details check

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone are more interviews from Tam 8

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coming your way next week we have an

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interview with bruce m hood and that's

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conducted by dr. rachey thank you all

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01:15:47,070 --> 01:15:44,380
for continuing to listen and all the

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support we've received after our 100th

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01:15:51,330 --> 01:15:49,570
episode and you can continue to support

1962
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01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:55,510
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homepage but until next week this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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Australia you've been listening to the

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skeptic zone visit our website at WWF

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